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  What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

  by Starlight.vee in

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  like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

  how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

  there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

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  Sea Breeze

  Duran, Duran, Duran,

  I put in thousands of hours in field service arguing WT doctrine before I decided to just let the word speak in its totality. You are looking for possible exceptions and then trying to make a solid Christian doctrine out of it, even it requires ignoring dozens of other scriptures to do it.

  And YES Jesus is an angel.

  
  [ 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet

  What if I reported in a newspaper article that such and such talented dynamic speaker had the voice of a freight train. No one would suspect that I was saying that the orator was actually a freight train! It is talking about the nature of the voice - "commanding", similar to an arch-angel.
  
  Duran,

  If you really believed Jesus was just a spirit, would you invite him into your being to possess you? Why won't you answer as to whether or not you have "obediently" done this? What are you hiding?
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  What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

  by Starlight.vee in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

  how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

  there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

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  Sea Breeze

  Duran,

  I once had shoulder surgery and had to give ALL my strength, might and works to my left arm while my right arm was healing.

  It really doesn't matter how he got it does it? That's not the point. As usual, heretics miss the clear and plain point of any scripture they don't like. Jesus has all power and authority in heaven and earth, that's what scripture says. You cannot change that scripture no matter how badly you want to. All means ALL.
  
  By the way, do you have a problem allowing an angel into your being? In other words, are you willing to allow an angel to posess you? Because, according to WT theology, that's what it will take to get saved. - "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ HE IS NONE OF HIS".

  My Father and I are one.”
  31 Again the Jews took up stones to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
  33 The Jews answered Him, “We are not stoning You for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, claim to be God.”

  Everyone there understood Jesus was claiming to be God here. He did other things to prove he was God too, you know - little things, like raise himself from the dead, while he was dead.
  
  He forgave people's sins, somethiong ONLY GOD can do. When questioned about this seeming blasphemous declaration, he asked a simple question; "which is easier to do, forgive somone's sins or tell this lame man here to get up and walk? It really was useless to question Jesus' Godship when talking to him. He'd just do another "impossible" miracle if you did. It must have been remarkable to see him in action, in the flesh.
  
  In other words, just running around declaring you are God would do nothing. Lots of people have done that over the years. But, Jesus did things ONLY God could do. That's why Jesus is declared in scripture to be "God manifest in the flesh" (KJV, MEV, NKJV, LITV) as recorded in the vast majority of ancient bible manuscripts.

  Here's some of the early Christian leaders, some trained directly by an apostle that quoted this verse and referred to Jesus as "God manifest in the flesh":

  1 Timothy 3:16 as cited by Church Fathers

  • John William Burgon (1813 - 1888)
  • The Greek text
  • Ignatius (ca 50 - between 98 and 117
  • Dionysius of Alexandria (ca. 190 - 265 AD)
  • Didymus of Alexandria or Didymus the Blind (c. 309/314 - 398)
  • Diodorus of Tarsus (- 392)
  • Gregory of Nazianzus (c 325 - 389)
  • Gregory of Nyssa (c 335 – probably 395)
  • John Chrysostom (c. 347 - 407)
  • Cyril of Alexandria (c. 376 - 444)
  • Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 460)
  • Unknown author (430)
  • Unknown author, 5th century
  • Euthalius (5th century)
  • Conclusion
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  What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

  by Starlight.vee in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

  how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

  there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

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  Sea Breeze

  Let's just make a list here of things you will NOT hear at a JW Convention:
  
  1. Jesus predicted that he would ressurect himself from the dead and then did it.

  2. Jesus said that if you didn't have his spirit living inside of you, you were none of his.

  3. Jesus said "Come to Me", not Jehovah or an organization.

  4. Jesus said he had all power in heaven and earth.

  5. Jesus instructed people to ask him for everlasting life... "Ye have not because ye ask not".

  6. Jesus said that he and the father were one in the same.

  7. Jesus spoke of hell more than anyone else in the Bible. He referred to it as a place of “outer darkness” where “there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” In other words, all the joys that we associate with light will be withdrawn, and all the fears that we associate with darkness will be multiplied. And the result will be an intensity of misery that makes a person grind his teeth in order to bear it..... forever & ever, & ever, & ever.

  Like I said, Hitlers speeches were fast paced and informational too. They were very inspirational. Only later did the world (too late) find out how deadly the whole thing was.
  
  The WT is at least as deadly as Hitler in ruining people's futures.
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  What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

  by Starlight.vee in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

  how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

  there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

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  Sea Breeze

  The new drama of Jesus’ life is well produced.

  @ SBF - Did they show how Jesus said he would resurrect himself from the dead, while he was still dead, something only God can do?

  Because that is exactly what happened and why it was such a big deal. It is why there are bilions of Christians today. But, no. I'm sure he was depicted as your regular 'ole wise angel disguising himself as a man who didn't mind people kissing his feet and worshipping him. Did they remind viewers that Jesus, stated that he had the power to forgive sins, also something only God can do? Did they show people asking Jesus to forgive their sins? How about the many times Jesus said "Come to Me", not Jehovah? Oh, no. They will have none of the milk from the whore of Babylon.

  The talks and videos about the gospels

  You mean the good news that you get to go through the greatest time of gloal fear, mayhem and murder the world has ever seen and then work for your salvation for a thousand yeaers after that? Oh yes, I remember.... that gospel.

  The talks were fast-paced and informative.

  So were Adolph Hitler's speeches.

  
  
  
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  Thanking Jehovah God for Sports

  by Sea Breeze in

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  serena william's thanks jehovah god for allowing her to participate in sports.

  how nice.

  my jw parents followed the rules and thought they were doing jehovahs will by denying me participation in sports.

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  Sea Breeze

  I also heard the quote: „ For physical training is beneficial for a little, but godly devotion is beneficial for all things, as it holds promise of the life now and the life that is to come.“

  Yep, Was raised on that statement. Somehow they failed to get the clear message in that scripture that God is saying go for it, just remember what's most important.

  The way they interpret that scripture is, if you want to play sports you will have to leave our home, because we don't want to be embarrased at the kingdom Hall in front of all our fake friends.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Sea Breeze

  Croatia is a tourist center. Both my brothers in law go there all the time for holiday.

  I think he will get on there.
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  What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

  by Starlight.vee in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

  how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

  there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

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  Sea Breeze

  What would happen?

  That's an easy one. The members would simply move on to another ideology that does not honor Christ, and one that makes them feel superior to Christians.
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  What's next?

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what's next for the world?

  a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

  and i shared that map with various friends.

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  Sea Breeze

  Duran you are cherrypicking and ignoring dozens of Scriptures that I pointed out showing Salvation to be a past tense event for Church-Age believers. You can't change that .... ever. Gal. 1: 8&9 says that if you preach a "good news" that the apostles didn't preach, you are cursed.

  This "silly" chart is basic theology 101.

  
  

  Why not just obey Jesus and get born again first before deep diving into end-times theology? If you'll do that, the Holy Ghost will guide you onto the ways of truth. Surely you don't have a problem with allowing the Spirit of Jesus into your mind, heart and anywhere else he wants to reside within you.... do you?

  I've noticed a common theme with talking to (also living with, raised by, and surrounded by) heretics for much of the past 50 + years. They all seem totally focused on proving that they have some special knowledge that, in their opinion, Christians vitally need. But, they are totally unconcerned with their own Salvation.
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  Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

  by minimus in

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  good pick?

  bad pick?

  helpful to president biden?

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  Sea Breeze

  When Kamala hits Indian TV, she’s Indian. When she rolls up in Atlanta, she’s Black. Politicians call this code-switching. We used to call this lying.
  
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  What's next?

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what's next for the world?

  a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

  and i shared that map with various friends.

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  Sea Breeze

  Just trying to work through some of your definitions here.

  Are you assuming that the Last Day, the 1st Resurrection and the Rapture are all the same event?

  If so, you need to take into consideration that the first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There will be the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the tribulation (Revelation 20:4). The Old Testament saints will also be raised at the end of the tribulation, and they are also part of the first resurrection.